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General Discussion / Re: Women who are ordained?
« Last post by Rick on June 05, 2017, 11:59:24 PM »
Thank you brother Rick, I was thinking the same. The spirit behind allowing women to be "ordained" does have a homosexual spirit behind it, as well as a Jezebel spirit.

I do not believe that women should play such a role in the church, as well as in a city clerks office (city hall). Would you agree on that about the "city hall" role?

Hello there, I totally agree with you about women being over the church, but as far as city clerk, there is nothing wrong with them being in that position. There was a woman named Lydia who ran a business in Acts; Deborah from Judges was over the Army as for as Judging. There's nothing wrong with women doing these daily jobs, but when it comes to household and church it is a man's role to lead.

Deborah is a good point. God does have women serve in the body as well. They should not be disregared simply because of their gender. Women receive the same Holy Spirit the men do and in disregarding them based on gender you risk disregarding something God is trying to work through them. Regarding this 1 John4 says to test the spirits.
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General Discussion / Re: Women who are ordained?
« Last post by johnpaul on June 02, 2017, 02:31:22 AM »
Thank you brother Rick, I was thinking the same. The spirit behind allowing women to be "ordained" does have a homosexual spirit behind it, as well as a Jezebel spirit.

I do not believe that women should play such a role in the church, as well as in a city clerks office (city hall). Would you agree on that about the "city hall" role?

Hello there, I totally agree with you about women being over the church, but as far as city clerk, there is nothing wrong with them being in that position. There was a woman named Lydia who ran a business in Acts; Deborah from Judges was over the Army as for as Judging. There's nothing wrong with women doing these daily jobs, but when it comes to household and church it is a man's role to lead.
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General Discussion / Re: Women who are ordained?
« Last post by Rick on May 30, 2017, 09:46:44 PM »
Thank you brother Rick, I was thinking the same. The spirit behind allowing women to be "ordained" does have a homosexual spirit behind it, as well as a Jezebel spirit.

I do not believe that women should play such a role in the church, as well as in a city clerks office (city hall). Would you agree on that about the "city hall" role?

The bible says women are not to have authority over men in the church. I do not really know much about what a city clerk does so I can not comment.
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General Discussion / Re: Women who are ordained?
« Last post by jayrobles on May 30, 2017, 12:10:47 PM »
Thank you brother Rick, I was thinking the same. The spirit behind allowing women to be "ordained" does have a homosexual spirit behind it, as well as a Jezebel spirit.

I do not believe that women should play such a role in the church, as well as in a city clerks office (city hall). Would you agree on that about the "city hall" role?
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General Discussion / Re: Self Defense
« Last post by johnpaul on May 28, 2017, 03:16:25 PM »

I agree that we should defend our families and the weak, but at this point, if I am being attacked I assume it is for the sake of Christ, (as the examples you also gave were)  in which case I am blessed, or that I provoked someone in an ungodly way, in which case i suffer for wrong doing. There are just too many what if scenarios to sit here and ponder. If some want to call turning the other cheek a Jewish idiom for an insult then do so, but Christ said if someone slaps you (not insults) then turn to them the other cheek. I reject the notion that God obscures his word with unbiblical, worldly idioms. Not to mention, Christ never fought back or raised a hand of self defense.

Matthew 26:52 But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?”

So some want to carry a sword, ok, but remember Christ rebuked Peter when he used it, and then healed the man who was injured by it. Peter, at that time, was willing to kill for Jesus but not die for him. Show me just one other time that a minister of Gods word, or any Christian, used a weapon in the new Testament? No, they all died for Christ. As for Luke 11, this is referring to demonic possession, not a literal man with a literal sword. Christ used parables and analogies in the Gospels. This is one of them and the passage in its entirety reveals this. The other examples are not mandates. The new testament is our mandate. That is not to say that we can not learn about God and his desires for our behavior in the Old Testament, but i think many immature Christians use it to justify their flesh/sin that they commit simply by turning what is descriptive and making it prescriptive. If King David killed a bunch of people, as he did, should we then follow suit and point to it and say 'well, King David did it."? Its sad because, in truth, this is what many do with other ungodly behavior they commit, they twist OT scriptures and point to them as defense, not acknowledging that, as you pointed out, God had commanded these men/women to do so, so it was therefore justified, but these immature Christians who point to these examples they twist, were in fact not commanded by God, and we know this because the epistles and Gospels in fact condemn such behavior. When these Christians start calling fire down from heaven as Elijah did then we can talk.


Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 Therefore
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.


Luke 12:4 “And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him! 6 “Are not five sparrows sold for two copper coins? And not one of them is forgotten before God. 7 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.


It is really a lack of faith in my opinion. If people want to train to defend themselves so be it. I will train to deliver the gospel and put my trust in Christ to lead me in and out of every situation.

Hello Rick, I totally agree with you on trusting and putting faith in him to handle situations. People lack faith in this world. As for as the Jewish idiom said by Jesus, it is well known that they used Hebrew idioms in that day as we use idioms in our language. Everyone uses idioms, its apart of language. For example "At each others throat" means fighting or arguing, that is one of the many idioms that we use. Just because some us might not understand idiom language of that day doesn't mean that Jesus wouldn't use it like they regularly did back in that day.

As for as Romans 12, Paul quoted Proverbs 25:21"If your enemy is hungry, give him food to eat; if he is thirsty, give him water to drink." The Old Testament is known for self defense like the verses I quoted in the previous text, but this means when an enemy is down and not causing harm, it would be loving to help them like the good Samaritan. And also Proverbs 20:22 " Do not say "I will repay evil.."  This is vengeance, if someone hit you or attacked you and got away, it is not our duty to go after the person and attack them, that would be vengeance. Let God handle that. But if they are in the process of attacking you then you are able use self defense.

Like I said, Jesus was for self defense (Luke 22). He didn't defend himself because he knew it was prophecy Luke 11 Jesus uses an example a man fully arm to describe demon possession assuming there's nothing wrong with a person fully armed. The bible often uses earthly situations to describe spiritual meanings. Jesus rebuked Peter because he already told them that the prophecy had to be fulfilled and yet Peter still tried to save him. He to Peter to put his sword back into his sheath, not throw the sword away. You can trust in God and still be armed. "The horse is prepared the day of battle, but safety is of the Lord."(Prov. 21:31) We should prepare, but at the end of day we trust the Lord. We lock our doors night, protect but still trust in God. You can still train for bodily exercise and train in Word just like David and other warriors of old did. But if an Government persecute us for being a Christian, don't fight back and if Lord allows you to escape do it.

God bless.
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General Discussion / Re: Self Defense
« Last post by Rick on May 28, 2017, 03:51:31 AM »

I agree that we should defend our families and the weak, but at this point, if I am being attacked I assume it is for the sake of Christ, (as the examples you also gave were)  in which case I am blessed, or that I provoked someone in an ungodly way, in which case i suffer for wrong doing. There are just too many what if scenarios to sit here and ponder. If some want to call turning the other cheek a Jewish idiom for an insult then do so, but Christ said if someone slaps you (not insults) then turn to them the other cheek. I reject the notion that God obscures his word with unbiblical, worldly idioms. Not to mention, Christ never fought back or raised a hand of self defense.

Matthew 26:52 But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?”

So some want to carry a sword, ok, but remember Christ rebuked Peter when he used it, and then healed the man who was injured by it. Peter, at that time, was willing to kill for Jesus but not die for him. Show me just one other time that a minister of Gods word, or any Christian, used a weapon in the new Testament? No, they all died for Christ. As for Luke 11, this is referring to demonic possession, not a literal man with a literal sword. Christ used parables and analogies in the Gospels. This is one of them and the passage in its entirety reveals this. The other examples are not mandates. The new testament is our mandate. That is not to say that we can not learn about God and his desires for our behavior in the Old Testament, but i think many immature Christians use it to justify their flesh/sin that they commit simply by turning what is descriptive and making it prescriptive. If King David killed a bunch of people, as he did, should we then follow suit and point to it and say 'well, King David did it."? Its sad because, in truth, this is what many do with other ungodly behavior they commit, they twist OT scriptures and point to them as defense, not acknowledging that, as you pointed out, God had commanded these men/women to do so, so it was therefore justified, but these immature Christians who point to these examples they twist, were in fact not commanded by God, and we know this because the epistles and Gospels in fact condemn such behavior. When these Christians start calling fire down from heaven as Elijah did then we can talk.


Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
17 Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18 If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 Therefore
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”
21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.


Luke 12:4 “And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. 5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him! 6 “Are not five sparrows sold for two copper coins? And not one of them is forgotten before God. 7 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Do not fear therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.


It is really a lack of faith in my opinion. If people want to train to defend themselves so be it. I will train to deliver the gospel and put my trust in Christ to lead me in and out of every situation.
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General Discussion / Re: Self Defense
« Last post by johnpaul on May 24, 2017, 01:34:31 AM »
Christ said, 'If my kingdom were of this world my servants would fight." And again,  "Turn the other cheek."
We are to be as "sheep led to the slaughter" and "as harmless as doves and wise as serpents".


I know that there are some who say that we may be called to use violence, and that we should not judge a brother because we do not know if the Holy Spirit called a brother to use violence. Some also point to King David and Elijah to show that it may be justifiable to use violence. However, the difference is that these scriptures are DESCRIPTIVE of what these men did, not prescriptive.  1Cor14, Eph 6, Titus and 1&2 Timothy are all PRESCRIPTIVE as to how WE are to conduct ourselves. Not only do none of these scriptures call us to violence but they CONDEMN violence. Lay down your life for the Lord and your brethren. Its not fighting someone off of them, it is doing the will of God, whatever that may be. Romans 8:28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to HIS purpose.[size=78%] [/size][/font][/font][/size]
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Mtw6:33[/font][/color][/size][/color]

Hello there Rick, you mentioned turn the other cheek, that was a jewish idiom, usually meaning a verbal insult, not an actual attack on a person. Jesus said his servants would fight for him if this is his kingdom, but Jesus came to die for us, it wasn't in his plan for him to get saved. You mentioned descriptive and prescriptive of king David and Elijah, God often told David to slaughter men and Elijah called upon God during certain events and God answered and gave him power. It
 doesn't mean God wants us Christians to do those things since we have a new command to preach the gospel to every man. But if there was situation where someone is trying to harm you or someone else like rob,kill, etc.. then it is our  duty to defend ourselves and other people. "Rescue the weak and the needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked." Psalms 82:4. Jesus even told his disciples to carry a sword as self defense.( Luke 22) If we are being persecuted by the government, then we simply don't fight back. Sometimes we can escape if necessary, which is a form of self defense ( Acts 9) Self defense is biblical. (Neh. 4, Ester. 8-9, Ezekiel 33, Luke 11:21, Exodus 22) I certainly believe God can use a person to defend the innocent if a situation arises.  Loving violence (Psalms 11:5) is different from resulting to violence in protecting ones life.
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General Discussion / Re: How to defeat a social media addiction
« Last post by johnpaul on May 24, 2017, 01:00:54 AM »
Yeah I meant to say defeat it completely. That bible verse you mentioned is actually the one that has been stuck in my head constantly.(Matthew 5:30) I actually got rid of my snapchat about 1 or 2 months ago and I recently deactivated my Instagram. I only use facebook really to share God's word and to interact with other believers. The only social media app I really struggle with is Instagram which is why I took it off my phone. I just pray to God I will take right initiative for this sin not to rule over me. I have been begging God to help me with it and I have faith that He will give me the strength to overcome it. Thank you for your reply and for the bible verses.

Keep following Jesus, having a mind governed by the spirit and you will over come. Alot of this social media is created by the government for their own selfish reasons.
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General Discussion / Re: Self Defense
« Last post by Rick on May 22, 2017, 06:13:37 PM »
Christ said, 'If my kingdom were of this world my servants would fight." And again,  "Turn the other cheek."
We are to be as "sheep led to the slaughter" and "as harmless as doves and wise as serpents".


I know that there are some who say that we may be called to use violence, and that we should not judge a brother because we do not know if the Holy Spirit called a brother to use violence. Some also point to King David and Elijah to show that it may be justifiable to use violence. However, the difference is that these scriptures are DESCRIPTIVE of what these men did, not prescriptive.  1Cor14, Eph 6, Titus and 1&2 Timothy are all PRESCRIPTIVE as to how WE are to conduct ourselves. Not only do none of these scriptures call us to violence but they CONDEMN violence. Lay down your life for the Lord and your brethren. Its not fighting someone off of them, it is doing the will of God, whatever that may be. Romans 8:28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to HIS purpose.[size=78%] [/size][/font][/font][/size]
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Mtw6:33[/font][/color][/size][/color]
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General Discussion / Re: Self Defense
« Last post by Saint on May 19, 2017, 04:02:41 AM »
Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek.If you are evangelizing and someone attacks you then you turn the other cheek.  If you are in a situation that you are trying to rescue or protect your family then I believe it is your duty to do defend them unless the Spirit of God gives you guidance to do otherwise.

How do you feel about a believer training under self defense for exercising and being ready for when a situation arises?


I think the individual needs to hear from God on something like this because I can make a case against it, you might listen for a season, then go back to it. But if you hear from God, then it is a firm foundation in your spirit. I know for myself, personally, God called me out of martial arts. There is allot of ungodly spiritualism intertwined into many of the martial arts systems. Bowing to and proclaiming allegiance to different aspects of their system. My niece is involved in martial arts and they have her bow to some flag and repeat some worldly philosophical mantra of self righteousness (rather than to Gods righteousness). I think this is something you really need to pray about and let God speak the truth about in your heart. There were many things that i loved that I had to walk away from when I came to the Lord. It is part of dying to yourself. That is why it is called coming to the Lord, because he is separate from this world, and calls us out of it to himself. For the record though, I am not saying you are condemned if you continue in it. Perhaps God wants you to? I do not pretend to know.

Romans 14:22Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. 23And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Hello brother Rick, I totally agree with you about some of this martial arts that are based upon worldly philosophical ideas. We should always go to God first before we do anything. I have seen self defense training that doesn't use that worldly philosophy, but only trains how to defend yourself against attacks and other dangerous situations( Like Krav maga, ect..). What do you think about a christian joining that type of training? Do you think God would use an individual with training like this to do His will?
God Bless!
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