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Also here is a comic I drew in response to viewing some of the ridiculous arrests on Team Jesus Preachers youtube.

Haha nice one. You got some talent there man.

Just what I think, you could have put a mind speech bubble over the cop's head when he is arresting the drug dealer and pimp saying, "Don't worry, I'll let you go if you give me my share".
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General Discussion / Re: Drinking Beer + Bible=OK?
« Last post by Nicky on Today at 04:31:54 AM »
Drinking wine is not sin. Getting drunk is.

I think the reason why the Bible advises against wine is because many lack the self control to abstain from drinking too much.

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The position that Adam gave this man on the phone was that alcohol in of itself is not sin but that the excessive use of it is sin

Rightly said.

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And that being said, no one in TJP drinks alcohol.


Not too much right? or never?  ;D

I prefer fruit juices to anything alcohol anyway.
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General Discussion / Re: Drinking Beer + Bible=OK?
« Last post by Rick on November 13, 2017, 10:33:41 PM »
  This man appears to begin leading up to speaking about Team Jesus Preaches at around 11:47. I say this because this is where he begins to speak about “dumb dog preachers who won’t bark against sin” and then around 13:35 he says that Adam from Team Jesus Preachers is “another of these dumb dogs who won’t bark”. So from this It appears that this man is claiming that


1. Team Jesus Preachers does not preach against sin, won’t preach against liquor and strong drink because we are drinking it, won’t preach against wickedness because we are doing it.  13:15   
2. anyone who listens or follows men like us (Team Jesus Preachers) “needs to get right with God” 14:06
3. Team Jesus Preachers casts a stumbling block for sin to other Christians 14:48
4. Implies that we are “beer-guzzling preachers and pedophile preachers “ 15:45


These claims are egregious and untrue.


Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.


The position that Adam gave this man on the phone was that alcohol in of itself is not sin but that the excessive use of it is sin, that is getting tipsy, buzzed or drunk. This is sin. And that being said, no one in TJP drinks alcohol. No one. We do not drink socially, we do not drink occasionally, we do not drink for any reason. Not because it is sin but for personal convictions that we as individuals have.


Regarding this man in the videos claim that tasting alcohol is a sin, there are countless examples in the bible that show that SAINTS drank fermented wine and that God himself commanded strong wine as a drink offering, which is wine with an excessive alcohol content. If you want some examples you can see below. i gave some personal thoughts below each one.






Old Testament Wine


1. tiyrowsh  (tee-roshe'): must or fresh grape-juice (as just squeezed out); by implication (rarely) fermented wine -- (new, sweet) wine.
2. yayin  (yah'-yin): wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication -- banqueting, wine, wine(-bibber).
3. shekar  (shay-kawr') :an intoxicant, i.e. intensely alcoholic liquor -- strong drink, + drunkard, strong wine.


Proverbs 23:29-35
29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.


So who hath woe? Who hath sorrow and contentions? He that tarry long at wine and seeks mixed drink. It speaks nothing of tasting wine. This passage is a warning that wine leads to drunkenness which leads to impaired judgement which leads to sexual immorality and speaking perverse things.  Also, i heard this man claim that we are commanded by God to not even look at wine according to verse 23:31. This is clearly not the context of the passage because
 
  • this supposed command is found no where else in scripture
  • God commanded the children of Israel to bring a drink offering of strong wine in Numbers 28:7.  I put the passage with concordance below.
  • Saints all throughout the OT and NT drank fermented wine, the very drink this pastor is claiming is commanded buy God not to even look at.
Numbers 28:7 And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the *strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering.
*strong wine
shekar  (shay-kawr') : an intoxicant, i.e. intensely alcoholic liquor -- strong drink, + drunkard, strong wine.
 


Proverbs 31:4-7
4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.


Does wine impair your judgement and make you to forget? Yes, when you drink it to excess.
After reading verses 6&7, Do I need to run out and buy moonshine for all the people in the suicide ward at the local mental health facility and homeless people under the bridge? I think not.




Isaiah 5:11 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!


that continue until wine inflame them! It does not say “woe unto them that taste the wine” … it says woe to them that drink it until it inflames them. That is drunkenness.




Daniel 10:3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.
*nor wine
yayin  (yah'-yin)
wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication -- banqueting, wine, wine(-bibber).


Daniel drank fermented wine after the 3 weeks. Did he get drunk? Doubtful. But he drank fermented wine, not grape juice, which is tiyrowsh in Hebrew.
(See Number 18:12 example below).
Numbers 18:12 All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the firstfruits of them which they shall offer unto the LORD, them have I given thee.
*of the wine
tiyrowsh  (tee-roshe') : must or fresh grape-juice (as just squeezed out); by implication (rarely) fermented wine -- (new, sweet) wine.






Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
*and whosoever is deceived
shagah  (shaw-gaw')
to (cause to) go astray, deceive, err, be ravished, sin through ignorance, (let, make to) wander. intoxicated.


Whoever is intoxicated by wine is not wise. Whoever is given over, deceived, lead astray by wine is not wise. It does not say whoever drinks the wine.




Proverbs 21:17 He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man: he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich.
Ok, i think we get the point.


Proverbs 23:20 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:
*Be not among winebibbers
yayin  (yah'-yin)
wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication -- banqueting, wine, wine(-bibber).
caba'  (saw-baw')
to quaff to satiety, i.e. become tipsy -- drunkard, fill self, Sabean, (wine-)bibber.


quaff - (verb)
1.drink (something, especially an alcoholic drink) heartily.




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What does the New Testament say about wine?


New Testament Wine from Strongs Concordance


3690. oxos: vinegar, sour wine - low-grade, sour wine, given as a cheap painkiller to people condemned to crucifixion. (Occurred only in the gospels when Christ is offered this substance at his crucifixion )
3631. oínos – wine made from grapes.
1098. gleukos: the unfermented juice of grapes; hence: sweet new wine. (1 Occurrence: Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.)


This implies that all other wine noted in the NT (3631. oínos) was fermented wine and not new wine/grape juice as so many claim. And as you read the scriptures you will see that this is consistent with the OT scriptures that are constantly warning against being led astray by wine since drunkenness is a sin.






Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
*3182 methuskesthe to make drunk
*3631 oínos – wine made from grapes.


Don’t get drunk. Got it.




1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
*3631 oínos – wine made from grapes.


Drinking wine for health is acceptable? Ok, got it.




1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
*3943. paroinos: drunken, i.e. tippling (a toper) -- given to wine.


Bishops can’t be drunkards. Got it.




1 Timothy 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
*4337 prosecho :  to hold to, turn to, attend to. (ADDICTED)
*3631. oinos – wine made from grapes.


Deacons can’t be addicted to alcohol, got it.




Titus 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
*3943 paroinos: given to wine, drunken


Bishops can’t be drunkards. Got it.




Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
*4183 pollō: much, many
*3631 oinō wine


Older women getting drunk is ungodly, got it.




1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
*3632 oinophlugiais: drunkenness, debauchery


Does Peter say in the past when we tasted wine? No, he says when we drank it in excess.


ALL of the scriptures that condemn alcohol are condemning drunkenness. I personally do not drink because of my many convictions regarding it. No one else in TJP drinks. Adam is not having a beer while he writes up his bible studies. We are not drinkers in any capacity nor do we promote it. If we ever speak of alcohol it is always in the context of a warning of Gods judgement upon drunkards. Anyone who implies otherwise does not fear Gods judgement upon liars. This man in the video is clearly emotional, carnal and appealing to peoples emotion. At the very least this man puts TJP in the same camp as child molesters, false prophets and drunkards who promote alcohol to our neighbors.


Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.


I pray the fear of God fall upon this man and that he repent.
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General Discussion / Re: Drinking Beer + Bible=OK?
« Last post by KJV on November 09, 2017, 01:49:10 PM »
 Please share your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
The comment starts at 14:14 about Team Jesus preachers
updated link :-X
https://youtu.be/o-s5ccapQmw

Repentance Cry youtube channel (friends of Biblebrian channel)
""JESUS THE GREAT DIVIDER" Powerful preaching!
Published on Nov 8, 2017

on a side note in the news was this
The church of BEER in California starts at 0:51
https://youtu.be/t5zMQ3la0C8
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General Discussion / Drinking Beer + Bible=OK?
« Last post by KJV on November 07, 2017, 06:35:04 PM »
Please share your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
The comment starts at 14:14 about Team Jesus preachers
https://youtu.be/1KnwA4cJzc4

on a side note in the news was this
The church of BEER in California starts at 0:51
https://youtu.be/t5zMQ3la0C8
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General Discussion / Re: My testimony
« Last post by Mahon on October 29, 2017, 09:13:57 AM »
awesome testimony! Praise the Lord!

Thanks, Brother Rick! It's amazing how God can radically change a sinner, it's like going from night to day, darkness to light. After being saved I now longer feel that I'm in bondage as I was before. I conquered all of my sins but still pray to the Lord every day to continue to give me strength to overcome. I'm aware that keeping myself around my brothers and sisters also helps hence the reason I'm here. Praise God!


Philipiians 3:7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. 8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; 10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, 11 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

12 Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. 13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

This is one of my favorite verses from the Apostle Paul. Thanks brother Rick for posting this. I'm always pressing into the Kingdom.

Matthew 11:12 (KJV) 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

This is one of my favs too!
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General Discussion / Re: What if preaching about God and Jesus becomes illegal?
« Last post by Rick on October 05, 2017, 03:07:23 PM »
I think there will eventually be a law that forbids people to preach openly about Christ and holiness. The police today, in my experience, for the most part, do not like when we preach because it causes them to have to step in between us and the sinners who want to assault us. I have even been told by police that they will not step in between us because I am provoking these people to assault me by preaching the word. So who is really in control here? Not those who are righteous but those who are unrighteous have the right to proceed in a drunken stupor down the road, despite the fact that they are breaking the law. But it is the preacher who is somehow 'inciting violence' when calling these people out on their ungodly behavior. So you can see that even the cops have been given over to a debased mind, to defending the unrighteous and condemning the righteous. They do not want to be bothered with having to do their job. And with this attitude to prevalent in law enforcement and society at large it is only a matter of time before there is a law stating it is illegal to 'oppress' other people with your own religious views. Perhaps since it will target Christians they will name it the 'anti-christ bill' in congress. If people can not see the times we are in they are certainly lost and need to cry out to God immediately.

As for going along with an evil nation and its evil laws, i would say no, do not go along with ANYTHING that is against God.
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General Discussion / What if preaching about God and Jesus becomes illegal?
« Last post by N30 on October 03, 2017, 08:46:24 PM »
What if America ceases to embrace free speech in order to maintain "peace".

What if true Christians become severely persecuted because we speak out against sinful activities?

What if RFID chips are the mark of the beast that the Bible speaks of?

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And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Revelation 13:16-17



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"We foresee the use of RFID technology to drive everything from making purchases in our office break room market, opening doors, use of copy machines, logging into our office computers, unlocking phones, sharing business cards, storing medical/health information, and used as payment at other RFID terminals. Eventually, this technology will become standardized allowing you to use this as your passport, public transit, all purchasing opportunities, etc."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/25/539265157/wisconsin-company-plans-to-start-implanting-chips-in-its-employees

What am I to do if a martial law is implemented due to national security stemming from a fear of mass shootings or economic cyber attacks, causing military personnel come knocking on my door to escort me to the nearest processing area where chips are implanted for "personal safety"?

The Bible says to uphold the laws of the government and those in power. Romans 13

Yet I constantly see and am a victim of wicked acts of mistreatment and hypocrisy from figures representing the government.

I once asked a group of Bible believing Christians how I would go about obeying my mother and father if they were telling me to do sinful activities, since I cannot do both and be righteous.

The answer, according to them was to "only obey parents when they were asking righteousness of you and not sin."

Is this how I should treat the government?

If I am confronted with situation where my family is being forced into the ways of evil, with threats of imprisonment - or worse - if I do not comply, how then should I deal with it as a God fearing Christian?

I certainly could not stand idly by as my son and daughter are forced to chip themselves and therefore forced to obey the ways of the world, wicked or not.

Also here is a comic I drew in response to viewing some of the ridiculous arrests on Team Jesus Preachers youtube.

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General Discussion / Re: how do i get the fear of God?
« Last post by Rick on September 26, 2017, 08:19:37 PM »
i replied to your email.

 

The fear of God is to live to please God and not man. Fear his judgements, seek his council in the scriptures, obey his word and if anyone says anything contrary to his word then do not concern yourself with what that man says, but fear God.


If you are truly sorry before God over your sins then you will stop the sin and not go back to it. This is godly sorrow. If you are not truly sorry you will return to your sin. This is worldly sorrow, which leads to death. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rom6:23)




2 Corinthians 7:8 For even if I made you sorry with my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it. For I perceive that the same epistle made you sorry, though only for a while. 9 Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing. 10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. 11 For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.


Perhaps someone else has something to offer on these topics...?
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General Discussion / how do i get the fear of God?
« Last post by 123 on September 12, 2017, 04:43:06 AM »
hi,  i'm not a born again christian yet, i watched Adams video about the fear of God and i wanted to know how to get it. also what is Godly sorrow?
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