Team Jesus Preachers

Recent Posts

Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 10
1
General Discussion / Re: What if preaching about God and Jesus becomes illegal?
« Last post by Finkatore on January 17, 2018, 05:39:40 AM »
I have already seen that this message is very helpful to me.
2
General Discussion / Re: preaching
« Last post by Finkatore on January 17, 2018, 05:39:14 AM »
I think it would be a good idea to try it.
3
General Discussion / Re: My testimony
« Last post by Rick on January 14, 2018, 09:37:15 PM »
I just want to share where I came from, my testimony is not complete though. I went to a Christian school growing up and was a good kid. After moving and attending public school I didn't have many friends my popular sister let me hang out with her which unfortunately pulled me into the wrong crowd. I was 14, and ended up in the hands of a bad man who traumatized me, shortly after my parents got divorced. I smoked weed to numb the pain, I was lost because of these things happening and no longer trusting anybody or anything to keep me safe since my friends and family betrayed me. I never told anybody what happened and bottled it in, two years later I willingly gave into being sexually immoral since I felt I was already damaged it didn't matter. I started drinking, doing HARD drugs, and being promiscuous. Then at 17 I got pregnant (2 months prior didn't do any hard drugs thank God), I considered having an abortion. At my appointment a nurse looked me in the eye and said "you don't want to do this" and when I said I thought I did she told me I still had time to come back but I wasn't getting one that day and sent me out. She may have been an angel. I split from my sons dad when he was 2, we were not married and he made me feel very used. Having a child made me more responsible but I still smoked weed and sometimes drank but no more hard drugs. 2 years later I had my first boyfriend since my sons dad who turned out to be a bad man, he was abusive and manipulative. After a year of that I broke it off and became extremely promiscious, I partied every chance I had, got wasted almost every night, and eventually did cocaine again, and lost my job of 6 years. I didn't learn my lesson, I lost nearly everything except my weekends with my son, it was the worst year of my life. I couldn't find work and would get gas money from the many men I would hook up with. I found a new full time job after a year of doing this and eventually the promiscuity got to me and I was alone and falling to pieces. The new job gave me benefits and I decided to talk to a counselor, this was the most unhelpful thing I could have had at that time I was so lost. I never went back there. I developed allergies to alcohol so I stopped drinking and stopped the cocaine since I wasn't hanging with the drinking buddies who supplied it. Over the years I also struggled with an eating disorder,  that and weed were my two companions. After getting interested in truther videos and came back to being interested in God. I realized the things he had done over the years like he was chasing me the whole time. I connected with a friend on facebook and we started a (immoral) relationship. I never would deny God and he and I would discuss it, but he didn't understand how I felt about God I literally could feel Him during situations in my life He was there with me. This ended up pulling me closer to God and breaking off the relationship with the guy after a year. I found a Christian counselor who uses the bible and prayer through everything, she has helped me recognize the hardness of my heart because of the sin that crept in especially after the trauma. I am still struggling with sin but fight every day, this is something I've lived with for 14 years and have tried everything but God to fix it. Coming to the Lord has been the only thing that makes me feel comforted and calmed my heart. I've been running in my lies and selfishness for far too long.
To be continued...

Where Is the part2 continuation? You have a great testimony in what God has done for you so far and your response but what sin are you still struggling with?
4
General Discussion / Re: My testimony
« Last post by Kristina on January 12, 2018, 11:12:30 PM »
I just want to share where I came from, my testimony is not complete though. I went to a Christian school growing up and was a good kid. After moving and attending public school I didn't have many friends my popular sister let me hang out with her which unfortunately pulled me into the wrong crowd. I was 14, and ended up in the hands of a bad man who traumatized me, shortly after my parents got divorced. I smoked weed to numb the pain, I was lost because of these things happening and no longer trusting anybody or anything to keep me safe since my friends and family betrayed me. I never told anybody what happened and bottled it in, two years later I willingly gave into being sexually immoral since I felt I was already damaged it didn't matter. I started drinking, doing HARD drugs, and being promiscuous. Then at 17 I got pregnant (2 months prior didn't do any hard drugs thank God), I considered having an abortion. At my appointment a nurse looked me in the eye and said "you don't want to do this" and when I said I thought I did she told me I still had time to come back but I wasn't getting one that day and sent me out. She may have been an angel. I split from my sons dad when he was 2, we were not married and he made me feel very used. Having a child made me more responsible but I still smoked weed and sometimes drank but no more hard drugs. 2 years later I had my first boyfriend since my sons dad who turned out to be a bad man, he was abusive and manipulative. After a year of that I broke it off and became extremely promiscious, I partied every chance I had, got wasted almost every night, and eventually did cocaine again, and lost my job of 6 years. I didn't learn my lesson, I lost nearly everything except my weekends with my son, it was the worst year of my life. I couldn't find work and would get gas money from the many men I would hook up with. I found a new full time job after a year of doing this and eventually the promiscuity got to me and I was alone and falling to pieces. The new job gave me benefits and I decided to talk to a counselor, this was the most unhelpful thing I could have had at that time I was so lost. I never went back there. I developed allergies to alcohol so I stopped drinking and stopped the cocaine since I wasn't hanging with the drinking buddies who supplied it. Over the years I also struggled with an eating disorder,  that and weed were my two companions. After getting interested in truther videos and came back to being interested in God. I realized the things he had done over the years like he was chasing me the whole time. I connected with a friend on facebook and we started a (immoral) relationship. I never would deny God and he and I would discuss it, but he didn't understand how I felt about God I literally could feel Him during situations in my life He was there with me. This ended up pulling me closer to God and breaking off the relationship with the guy after a year. I found a Christian counselor who uses the bible and prayer through everything, she has helped me recognize the hardness of my heart because of the sin that crept in especially after the trauma. I am still struggling with sin but fight every day, this is something I've lived with for 14 years and have tried everything but God to fix it. Coming to the Lord has been the only thing that makes me feel comforted and calmed my heart. I've been running in my lies and selfishness for far too long.
To be continued...
5
General Discussion / Re: My testimony
« Last post by Jer on January 11, 2018, 01:00:43 AM »
Just want to thank God for raising brave preachers like you guys. America needs you. America and the rest of the world is a mission field to all who do not know Him. Continue to preach Jesus as the Holy Spirit leads you. They do not realize that they need the One who is the only one who can save them from themselves and the evil one. Le us always trusting Him, and be obedient to Him who has come and will come again.
6
General Discussion / Re: preaching
« Last post by loganjohn123 on January 04, 2018, 04:37:39 AM »
I want to go to a lot of the teachings of life in a lot of thinking.
7
It is a very useful article.
8
General Discussion / Re: What if preaching about God and Jesus becomes illegal?
« Last post by tjpuser on December 12, 2017, 04:46:23 AM »
_
9
General Discussion / Re: Drinking Beer + Bible=OK?
« Last post by tjpuser on December 12, 2017, 04:31:54 AM »
_
10
General Discussion / Re: Drinking Beer + Bible=OK?
« Last post by Rick on November 13, 2017, 10:33:41 PM »
  This man appears to begin leading up to speaking about Team Jesus Preaches at around 11:47. I say this because this is where he begins to speak about “dumb dog preachers who won’t bark against sin” and then around 13:35 he says that Adam from Team Jesus Preachers is “another of these dumb dogs who won’t bark”. So from this It appears that this man is claiming that


1. Team Jesus Preachers does not preach against sin, won’t preach against liquor and strong drink because we are drinking it, won’t preach against wickedness because we are doing it.  13:15   
2. anyone who listens or follows men like us (Team Jesus Preachers) “needs to get right with God” 14:06
3. Team Jesus Preachers casts a stumbling block for sin to other Christians 14:48
4. Implies that we are “beer-guzzling preachers and pedophile preachers “ 15:45


These claims are egregious and untrue.


Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.


The position that Adam gave this man on the phone was that alcohol in of itself is not sin but that the excessive use of it is sin, that is getting tipsy, buzzed or drunk. This is sin. And that being said, no one in TJP drinks alcohol. No one. We do not drink socially, we do not drink occasionally, we do not drink for any reason. Not because it is sin but for personal convictions that we as individuals have.


Regarding this man in the videos claim that tasting alcohol is a sin, there are countless examples in the bible that show that SAINTS drank fermented wine and that God himself commanded strong wine as a drink offering, which is wine with an excessive alcohol content. If you want some examples you can see below. i gave some personal thoughts below each one.






Old Testament Wine


1. tiyrowsh  (tee-roshe'): must or fresh grape-juice (as just squeezed out); by implication (rarely) fermented wine -- (new, sweet) wine.
2. yayin  (yah'-yin): wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication -- banqueting, wine, wine(-bibber).
3. shekar  (shay-kawr') :an intoxicant, i.e. intensely alcoholic liquor -- strong drink, + drunkard, strong wine.


Proverbs 23:29-35
29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?
30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.
33 Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things.
34 Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast.
35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.


So who hath woe? Who hath sorrow and contentions? He that tarry long at wine and seeks mixed drink. It speaks nothing of tasting wine. This passage is a warning that wine leads to drunkenness which leads to impaired judgement which leads to sexual immorality and speaking perverse things.  Also, i heard this man claim that we are commanded by God to not even look at wine according to verse 23:31. This is clearly not the context of the passage because
 
  • this supposed command is found no where else in scripture
  • God commanded the children of Israel to bring a drink offering of strong wine in Numbers 28:7.  I put the passage with concordance below.
  • Saints all throughout the OT and NT drank fermented wine, the very drink this pastor is claiming is commanded buy God not to even look at.
Numbers 28:7 And the drink offering thereof shall be the fourth part of an hin for the one lamb: in the holy place shalt thou cause the *strong wine to be poured unto the LORD for a drink offering.
*strong wine
shekar  (shay-kawr') : an intoxicant, i.e. intensely alcoholic liquor -- strong drink, + drunkard, strong wine.
 


Proverbs 31:4-7
4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.


Does wine impair your judgement and make you to forget? Yes, when you drink it to excess.
After reading verses 6&7, Do I need to run out and buy moonshine for all the people in the suicide ward at the local mental health facility and homeless people under the bridge? I think not.




Isaiah 5:11 Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!


that continue until wine inflame them! It does not say “woe unto them that taste the wine” … it says woe to them that drink it until it inflames them. That is drunkenness.




Daniel 10:3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.
*nor wine
yayin  (yah'-yin)
wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication -- banqueting, wine, wine(-bibber).


Daniel drank fermented wine after the 3 weeks. Did he get drunk? Doubtful. But he drank fermented wine, not grape juice, which is tiyrowsh in Hebrew.
(See Number 18:12 example below).
Numbers 18:12 All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the firstfruits of them which they shall offer unto the LORD, them have I given thee.
*of the wine
tiyrowsh  (tee-roshe') : must or fresh grape-juice (as just squeezed out); by implication (rarely) fermented wine -- (new, sweet) wine.






Proverbs 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
*and whosoever is deceived
shagah  (shaw-gaw')
to (cause to) go astray, deceive, err, be ravished, sin through ignorance, (let, make to) wander. intoxicated.


Whoever is intoxicated by wine is not wise. Whoever is given over, deceived, lead astray by wine is not wise. It does not say whoever drinks the wine.




Proverbs 21:17 He that loveth pleasure shall be a poor man: he that loveth wine and oil shall not be rich.
Ok, i think we get the point.


Proverbs 23:20 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:
*Be not among winebibbers
yayin  (yah'-yin)
wine (as fermented); by implication, intoxication -- banqueting, wine, wine(-bibber).
caba'  (saw-baw')
to quaff to satiety, i.e. become tipsy -- drunkard, fill self, Sabean, (wine-)bibber.


quaff - (verb)
1.drink (something, especially an alcoholic drink) heartily.




—————————————————————————


What does the New Testament say about wine?


New Testament Wine from Strongs Concordance


3690. oxos: vinegar, sour wine - low-grade, sour wine, given as a cheap painkiller to people condemned to crucifixion. (Occurred only in the gospels when Christ is offered this substance at his crucifixion )
3631. oínos – wine made from grapes.
1098. gleukos: the unfermented juice of grapes; hence: sweet new wine. (1 Occurrence: Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.)


This implies that all other wine noted in the NT (3631. oínos) was fermented wine and not new wine/grape juice as so many claim. And as you read the scriptures you will see that this is consistent with the OT scriptures that are constantly warning against being led astray by wine since drunkenness is a sin.






Ephesians 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
*3182 methuskesthe to make drunk
*3631 oínos – wine made from grapes.


Don’t get drunk. Got it.




1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
*3631 oínos – wine made from grapes.


Drinking wine for health is acceptable? Ok, got it.




1 Timothy 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
*3943. paroinos: drunken, i.e. tippling (a toper) -- given to wine.


Bishops can’t be drunkards. Got it.




1 Timothy 3:8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
*4337 prosecho :  to hold to, turn to, attend to. (ADDICTED)
*3631. oinos – wine made from grapes.


Deacons can’t be addicted to alcohol, got it.




Titus 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
*3943 paroinos: given to wine, drunken


Bishops can’t be drunkards. Got it.




Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
*4183 pollō: much, many
*3631 oinō wine


Older women getting drunk is ungodly, got it.




1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
*3632 oinophlugiais: drunkenness, debauchery


Does Peter say in the past when we tasted wine? No, he says when we drank it in excess.


ALL of the scriptures that condemn alcohol are condemning drunkenness. I personally do not drink because of my many convictions regarding it. No one else in TJP drinks. Adam is not having a beer while he writes up his bible studies. We are not drinkers in any capacity nor do we promote it. If we ever speak of alcohol it is always in the context of a warning of Gods judgement upon drunkards. Anyone who implies otherwise does not fear Gods judgement upon liars. This man in the video is clearly emotional, carnal and appealing to peoples emotion. At the very least this man puts TJP in the same camp as child molesters, false prophets and drunkards who promote alcohol to our neighbors.


Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.


I pray the fear of God fall upon this man and that he repent.
Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 10